Listingbook

I ran into this company about a year ago and was blown away but what they are doing.  I’m going to urge you to find out if your MLS has it and if it does, jump on it . . . with both feet!

Listingbook enables you to give real time MLS access to your buyers and sellers so that they can search the most accurate and up-to-date information available in the local market.  The only way they get access is through the account you give them and they’re reminded of that fact every time they log in. 

When your customer uses Listingbook, you get a report of everything they do:  how many houses they viewed, which ones they liked, which they eliminated and so on.  As such, it acts as an early warning system.  Say you give the Brown’s an account and watch them use it casually for a few weeks.  Then, one Monday, you log in and discover they looked at 29 houses they day before!  Guess what?!  It’s time to pick up the phone! 

Listingbook_logo_boxedYou know, we’re bombarded with stats about how many home buyers use the Internet in their search.  The general consensus is that the figure is about 85%.  Of course, that’s why we all need to be shifting as much of our marketing as possible to the Internet:  that’s where the buyers are.  But the other side of that coin is that the Internet buyer tends to spend much more time looking before they’re ready to buy, some estimate five or six months or even more. 

What happens in most offices is that an Internet lead comes in, the buyer is in their first month of nosing about and the agent either a) decides they’re not serious because they don’t plan to buy next weekend or b) pesters them to the point that they change their email address and cell phone number! 

Listingbook is a high-value item you can offer these buyers that lets them do the research they want to do while keeping you connected to their process.  It’s like this:  prior to Listingbook, we’d send our Internet buyers to an IDX feed or REALTOR.com or Trulia or any number of websites.  It’s like we handed them the keys to the car, stood at the end of the driveway and waved as they drove away.  With Listingbook, you still give them keys to the car (and it’s a Cadillac), but you get to ride along in the back seat! 

There are also great benefits for your sellers (most of whom are buyers, too).  Sellers get a report every day about activity in their specific neighborhood:  price changes, sales, expirations and so on.  It’s not unusual for Listingbook sellers to call their agents to initiate price reductions based on the information they receive. 

I’ve barely scratched the surface here and I know many of you are thinking, ‘But I’ve already got all that through my MLS.’  Trust me:  you don’t.  I’ve convinced a hand full of people to really get involved with Listingbook and they all report greater success converting, hanging onto and closing leads.  They also report very happy clients.  If you need further validation, ask Jack Bailey.  He’s the broker/owner of Help-U-Sell Greensboro and has been a Listingbook user since they started 8 years ago in his city.  He swears by it. 

Here’s my advice:

  1. Call your MLS a 

    nd ask if they have it.  If not, tell them they need it. 

  2. If they do have it, go get the training as soon as possible
  3. Don’t be casual about the training.  This tool takes a little work to master, but it’s well worth the effort.
  4. Use the 1-800 help number.  I’ve heard over and over that the Listingbook help desk folks will take whatever time is necessary to get you up and running.
  5. DON”T TELL YOUR COMPETITORS!  Really.  Most are ignoring Listingbook because they think they already have it.  Here’s your chance to get a leg-up on everyone else in your marketplace! 

MLS

 

 

10/21/09 – Oh:  here is the drop-down list of MLSs from the Listingbook website.  If yours is not listed, I’d still check.

3 Reasons Percentage Commissions Are Nuts

Percentage based commissions make no sense (and everybody knows it).  Really. 

Reason one:  Um . . . ‘Scuse me?

The Green’s house sells in 94 days  for $255,000.  They pay a 6% commission to ABC Realty:  $15,300. (Mrs. Green turns to her husband in the car on the way home from closing and says, ‘Remind me again, honey – what did we get for our $15,000?’)

The Browns house, 3 blocks away, is also sold by ABC in 85 days at a 6% commission.  But it’s a bigger house and brings $315,000.  They pay $18,900.  Bill Green and Bob Brown are golfing buddies and compare notes.  Bill Brown tees up wondering, ‘I wonder what I got for the extra $2,600 I paid?  Did I get $2,600 more advertising?  I don’t think so.  Did my agent work $2,600 harder for me?  No.  Hmmm. . . what’s up with that?’ 

Reason two:  One size does not fit all. 

As it turns out Green’s house was listed by ABC but sold by XYZ.  He paid 6% but it was shared among two brokers and two agents.   Brown on the other hand heard about a co-worker transferring in from out of town and put his agent in touch with the new arrival, who bought the house.  He found his own buyer and only needed to pay one broker and one agent.  But he paid the same 6%.  If you don’t think this bugs him (big time), you’re wrong.

Reason three:  But Captain, it is not logical.

Bill Green owns a hardware store.   Hammers are among the many items he sells.  He buys his basic hammer from a distributor who gets them in Korea.  He pays $2,25 for each one and has learned that they will last about six days on his shelves before being sold.  He prices these hammers at $4.98, which is enough to pay each hammer’s share of his cost of operation during their time on the shelf, and deliver a nice profit to the bottom line:  $.50.  Bill belongs to the local business association and he knows almost every other member has some similar pricing formula . . . except ABC.

The broker’s pricing seems arbitrary, plucked from air, as if selling real estate is a big mysterious process nobody can really understand.  He doesn’t buy it.  He knows a properly priced home in his area will take about 90 days to sell, give or take a little.  He learned from his agent that the office usually carries about 40 listings at a time.  He knows his broker has a marketing budget (or thinkshe does) and it should not vary much month to month.  With this information the broker at ABC ought to know what it will cost him to sell a typical house in his market.  Why doesn’t he just take that figure, even inflate it a bit, and then add a reasonable profit on top?  That’s what any other business person would do.  Hmmmm. . .

I could keep going.  There’s the seller who, through some stroke of good fortune gets a sale in 5 days instead of 95:  why does ABC still charge him  6% ?  There’s the former FSBO who is ready, willing and able to do much  the leg work in the sale:  open houses, showing the property, keeping the flyer box full.  What he needs help with is marketing,  negotiating and processing the sale.  But he still pays 6% if he lists with ABC.  And there’s the seller in the gated community who won’t allow a lock box, doesn’t want a sign and insists the listing agent be present every time the home is shown.  Seems like ABC ought to charge that guy more.

The point is, commission based pricing makes no sense at all.  The consumer knows this.  He thinks about it.  It burns inside him every time he  lists and sells.  He’s desperate to find a better way next time . . . but most never discover an acceptable alternative.  Oh, they could go FSBO, and get nothin’ fer nothin‘ .  Or they could use a discount broker and get, well, less for less.   But some sellers — the lucky ones, I’d say — are going to hear about Help-U-Sell and they’re going to get on the phone and say, ‘I hear you guys are different.  Tell me what you do . . . ‘

And that leads to a whole new conversation.

MLM and Real Estate

I had the opportunity during my hiatus from Help-U-Sell (late ’05 – mid ’09) to work with a couple of well funded start-ups who were going to revolutionize the real estate business.  It’s true, both companies were thinking ‘out-of-the-box;’ it’s just that it was the wrong box.

Both saw a blending of Multi-Level-Marketing with traditional brokerage to be the wave of the future and built companies around the concept.  (By the way, nobody in MLM says ‘Multi-Level-Marketing’ anymore.  The term is tainted by too much bad history.  Today they call it ‘Network Marketing.’ ) 

Keller-Williams is often credited with starting this fad, though in truth, theirs is not a true MLM concept.  They have ‘profit sharing,’ where agents who bring other agents in can be compensated with a share of the company profits . . . which is laughable when you consider how nearly impossible it is for a traditional real estate company to turn a real profit.  I know, I know:  I’m  going to get blasted for that but the truth is:  very few KW agents are making enough on their profit sharing to replace their personal production.  Nobody is retiring to live on their residuals. 

The true MLM/Real Estate model is closer to Amway or HerbalLife than Keller-Williams.  In this world, I recruit you and you recruit her and she recruits him and him and so on and so  on and so on (just like that old Revlon commercial) and somewhere down the line somebody has a closing and everybody gets paid!  You don’t even have to be a good agent to be successful; you just need to be good at convincing others to join your ‘team.’ 

Here are my problems with this approach:

  • I don’t see how in good conscience a person six people removed from the agent who did the transaction,  who may not even know the agent involved, should be paid a dime.   This person probably had nothing to do with bringing buyer and seller together and may not even have known that a transaction was in process until his paycheck arrived.  If there’s enough commission in the transaction to pay an agent so far removed, then there’s just too much commission in the transaction! 
  • It’s all about recruiting, not about selling real estate.  The approach is:  recurit everyone breathing and eventually someone will luck out and sell their cousin a house and then we all get paid!  There is no attempt to find the right person for the job and little done to build the recruit’s skill. 
  • Finally:  THERE”S NOTHING IN IT FOR THE CONSUMER!  Sorry to scream, but this really bugs me.  Once again, it’s all about the agent.  It’s just the same messed up agent oriented business model, this time on steroids.  Really.  I had conversations with both of the companies I worked with about this and the attitude was that the consumer was the agent’s responsibility.  The agents would take care of the consumer.  The company’s role is to help the agent recruit.  In other words there is no consumer offering.  There’s nothing special or even distinguishing here for the consumer.  It’s not about them. (And how you build a business that’s not about the consumer is a mystery to me).

Will MLM be a factor in real estate? Probably.  The the idea of making money for nothing is way too appealing, especially in a market where everyone is working very hard and few are making a good living.  But is this something the consumer is going to choose going forward?  I don’t think so.  To the consumer it just looks like more of the same:  a new twist on an already tired model.

The History of Real Estate (or: how in the world did things get so screwed up?)

My dad was a Broker.  I guess that makes me an S.O.B.  Son-of-a-Broker.  Anyway, I remember the week he passed his first salesperson’s test.  It was 1965 and he was so excited.  Out came the ‘want-ads’ after dinner and he scanned the real estate section for an opportunity. 

Eureka!  Ted Tamminga (I’m not kidding- that was his name), the Broker in Avondale Estates a few miles away was looking for a salesperson.  My dad went to see him the next day.

This is where things get interesting, because Ted, unlike the Brokers of today, was not recruiting my dad; he was looking for help. Forty-Five years ago, real estate brokers were community fixtures.  The broker was the business and the business was the broker’s.  If a broker took on a salesperson, it wasn’t for business expansion purposes.  I mean:  the broker wasn’t doing it because the new agent might bring new customers the broker didn’t already have.  No.  He hired agents because he had too much business to handle himself!

Ted saw my dad as an apprentice, to whom he’d toss off the low probability prospects who required much of his time.  By hiring him, he could take an afternoon off in the middle of the week to play golf.  Dad got the left-overs and the hand-me-downs and was paid reasonably for the good work he did:  50%.

Ted was quite a character.  He had the biggest, longest, goldest Cadillac convertible I’d ever seen.  He also had a collection of pastel colored polyester leisure suits that would make Johnny Carson jealous.  But what I really remember about Ted was the sunglasses — always on — and the huge grinning shark smile.  He was just gonna eat you up. 

By the time I’d gotten my license in 1976, my dad had done what good salespeople did.  He’d developed his own legion of loyal former customers and, being too busy for any more of Ted’s hand-me-downs, opened his own office.  I went to work for him.

It was an interesting time in real estate.  The franchises were just coming on the scene.  Red Carpet was first and showed everyone it could be done. But the big gorilla was Century 21.  We’d heard about the company that was taking over the business in California and we heard it was coming our way.  When it arrived, we quickly jumped on-board.  Why?  They offered survival.

We’d watched as some of the Ted Tammingas in our little universe realized that every time they hired an agent, their business got bigger.  We’d watched as they added and added and their signs became more and more plentiful.  Suddenly we were no longer the comfortable community real estate company.  We were just the little guys and it was hard to compete with our more rapidly expanding local brokers. 

Century 21 offered a way for the little mom-and-pop brokers to unite under a common banner and appear to be even bigger than the big local independents.  That was worth the fare for the first few years, but then it became clear that even under the Century 21 umbrella, the best rewards went to the biggest offices.  The franchisor — in fact all real estate franchisors — realized that the most important thing they could do is to teach their franchisees how to recruit. 

That was big.  The whole industry changed in  a couple of years.  The broker bulls-eye shifted from doing an excellent job listing and selling real estate to recruiting as many agents as possible.  It was the moment when brokers got out of the real estate business and into the recruiting business. 

And it worked beautifully . . . for awhile.

Then, in the mid-80s, a tsunami washed over the industry and took it to its knees.  The tsunami was Re/Max and its power was the 100% commission concept.  Dave Liniger and his team realized that, since the bulls-eye was on recruiting agents, and since many agents are motivated almost entirely by money, if they could find a way to pay them more than anyone else, they’d get ’em all!  And ya’ know what?  It worked. 

Productive agents went to Re/Max in droves and there was little the traditional broker could do but stand in the door of his office and wave goodbye.  By the end of the decade, the survivors had started monkeying with the model to cope in the new Re/Max universe.  Graduating commission splits started to graduate higher and higher and broker profits sunk lower and lower. 

That was  pretty much the story up to the market collapse in 2006.  It got beyond crazy.  In the best real estate market in history, most brokers were making no money.  They had to throw it at their agents to keep them from going down the street.  Here in San Diego, new agents with no experience at all were routinely offered 80% splits!

History of Real Estate

While the industry was careening out of control there was a quiet little revolution brewing a few blocks off Main Street.  A gentleman named Don Taylor started charging a set fee to market homes — and the fee was way less than a standard percentage based commission! — and he was getting his sellers to help by showing their own property and holding their own open houses.  He carefully orchestrated a marketing program that kept the phones ringing with prospective buyers and at the end of the day was able to turn huge numbers of transactions with very little help,  amass a legion of delighted customers, and realize a staggering profit. 

That was 30 years ago; and while the history of Help-U-Sell is a jagged line on a piece of graph paper –wild rises and horrendous crashes — the brand has endured.  Remarkably, it’s changed very little from Don Taylor’s original vision.  It still puts the consumer first and the broker in the center.  It still delivers on the promise of seller savings over typical commission models.  And it still delivers great profits to the broker.

Today we are in real estate purgatory.  We’re paying for the excesses of the first five years of this millennium.  Agents have exited the business in droves (this is a good thing), and those who remain are working harder than I’ve ever seen agents work in my life.  Prices are falling, interest rates are low, yet despite great government incentives, it’s hard for people to buy today.  Financing requirements are tough, time-lines are longer and there’s lots of uncertainty around every corner.  It’s a simmering soup of conflicting forces struggling to find a way out of the cauldron. 

Here’s a great business truth:  you don’t make huge market share gains in the good times.  The market share battle is won in times like these, times of crisis, times of chaos.  As we emerge from this, the consumer is going to be making a choice about which real estate companies he wants to see in the future.  He’s got lots of baggage.  He remembers the huge commission expense that showed up on the HUD 1 last time he sold.  He has gained access to much of the information brokers and agents kept from him in the past.  And he’s learned from the banking business and the stock brokerage business and the travel business that he’s able to do a lot of things on his own, without the help of a knowledgeable expert. 

I don’t think he’s going to be choosing one of the Big Five (or Six or Seven — it doesn’t matter:  they all have the same tired, agent oriented model).  He’s going to be making a new choice, one that fits in the new world of empowered consumers.  This is going to be fun!

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