Author: James Dingman

Seller Involvement

Help-U-Sell started as a For Sale By Owner enhancement.  The original signs, in fact, used to say ‘For Sale By Owner — Assisted by Help-U-Sell’ (or something to that effect).  Lore has it that numerous complaints and threats of suit by traditional brokers led the young company to change the verbiage to ‘For Sale with Owner.’ 

In its pure form (that means ADTDI:  as Don Taylor did it),  the Seller’s phone number was on the sign – prominently – and in the ads.  The Seller took many if not most inquiry calls, handled showing the property and holding open houses.  The broker only went to the property to take the listing and to show it (if he had a buyer). 

This all served to free the broker to focus on high-payoff activities:  managing the marketing, followup, solving problems, looking for new business.  Instead of housing an office full of agents to manage the flyer box and hold open houses, the broker had his sellers handling these basic tasks.  Sellers liked it too, realizing that through their own efforts they were reducing their commission expense by thousands. 

Of course, for it to work, the seller had to be coached — usually at the end of the listing consultation — on how to show the property, how to get a name and number from everyone who called or came through, and how to fax those names and numbers over to the broker for followup every few days.  But we’re not talking rocket science here; most sellers found their part to be easy and enjoyable.

Fast Forward to 2009 . . .

By and large, the seller’s phone number has disappeared from the sign and from the marketing.  The phrase ‘For Sale with Owner’ has vanished, too.  Help-U-Sell SignWhy?  The obvious answer is that we all discovered, somewhere in the late ’90s, that buyers were important to our business.  Today the broker wants those calls.  He wants to show the property so that he has an opportunity to build rapport with the buyer prospect and perhaps get an appointment for a full Buyer Consultation.  In addition, the phrase ‘For Sale with Owner’ implied a limited service or discount offering and Help-U-Sell practitioners are adamant:  we are not discounters!  

Even seller-held open houses are less frequent than they once were.  This, I believe, is unfortunate. 

Open houses are all about 3 things:  making a strong statement in the market place, securing buyer leads, and sometimes even selling the house that’s held open.  Every open house is an opportunity to put 3, 4, 5 or more directional signs out.  Every open house is and event to be publicized to neighbors and members of the buyer pool.  If the broker and his handful of agents are the only people holding open houses, that greatly limits the number that can be held.  If, on the other hand, all of our sellers hold all of our listings open just once a week, the impact — in terms of signage and office visibility — can be huge.

But what about the leads?  Easy.  For obvious reasons, the seller shouldn’t be letting anonymous strangers troop through the house.  You must give them a sign-in sheet and coach them to use it faithfully:  no name and number = no admittance.  You call them after the open house to remind them to fax you the sign-in sheet so you can followup with those who came through.  Imagine the boost your buyer pool would experience if every Monday you received sign-in sheets from a dozen sellers, each of whom held a Sunday open house! 

We want to coach the seller to be as involved in the selling process as he or she wants to be.  We want them to distribute flyers to their friends, family and co-workers.  We want them to put them up at the cleaners and the coffee shop.  We want them to do additional advertising on their own and hold additional open houses.  Why?  Because that gives them the greatest shot at finding their own buyer and saving the largest amount of money.  And that’s what we’re all about:  Seller Savings.

Never forget:  the most powerful message we have is not that our listing sold.  It’s that our listing sold and the seller saved thousands!

3 Reasons Percentage Commissions Are Nuts

Percentage based commissions make no sense (and everybody knows it).  Really. 

Reason one:  Um . . . ‘Scuse me?

The Green’s house sells in 94 days  for $255,000.  They pay a 6% commission to ABC Realty:  $15,300. (Mrs. Green turns to her husband in the car on the way home from closing and says, ‘Remind me again, honey – what did we get for our $15,000?’)

The Browns house, 3 blocks away, is also sold by ABC in 85 days at a 6% commission.  But it’s a bigger house and brings $315,000.  They pay $18,900.  Bill Green and Bob Brown are golfing buddies and compare notes.  Bill Brown tees up wondering, ‘I wonder what I got for the extra $2,600 I paid?  Did I get $2,600 more advertising?  I don’t think so.  Did my agent work $2,600 harder for me?  No.  Hmmm. . . what’s up with that?’ 

Reason two:  One size does not fit all. 

As it turns out Green’s house was listed by ABC but sold by XYZ.  He paid 6% but it was shared among two brokers and two agents.   Brown on the other hand heard about a co-worker transferring in from out of town and put his agent in touch with the new arrival, who bought the house.  He found his own buyer and only needed to pay one broker and one agent.  But he paid the same 6%.  If you don’t think this bugs him (big time), you’re wrong.

Reason three:  But Captain, it is not logical.

Bill Green owns a hardware store.   Hammers are among the many items he sells.  He buys his basic hammer from a distributor who gets them in Korea.  He pays $2,25 for each one and has learned that they will last about six days on his shelves before being sold.  He prices these hammers at $4.98, which is enough to pay each hammer’s share of his cost of operation during their time on the shelf, and deliver a nice profit to the bottom line:  $.50.  Bill belongs to the local business association and he knows almost every other member has some similar pricing formula . . . except ABC.

The broker’s pricing seems arbitrary, plucked from air, as if selling real estate is a big mysterious process nobody can really understand.  He doesn’t buy it.  He knows a properly priced home in his area will take about 90 days to sell, give or take a little.  He learned from his agent that the office usually carries about 40 listings at a time.  He knows his broker has a marketing budget (or thinkshe does) and it should not vary much month to month.  With this information the broker at ABC ought to know what it will cost him to sell a typical house in his market.  Why doesn’t he just take that figure, even inflate it a bit, and then add a reasonable profit on top?  That’s what any other business person would do.  Hmmmm. . .

I could keep going.  There’s the seller who, through some stroke of good fortune gets a sale in 5 days instead of 95:  why does ABC still charge him  6% ?  There’s the former FSBO who is ready, willing and able to do much  the leg work in the sale:  open houses, showing the property, keeping the flyer box full.  What he needs help with is marketing,  negotiating and processing the sale.  But he still pays 6% if he lists with ABC.  And there’s the seller in the gated community who won’t allow a lock box, doesn’t want a sign and insists the listing agent be present every time the home is shown.  Seems like ABC ought to charge that guy more.

The point is, commission based pricing makes no sense at all.  The consumer knows this.  He thinks about it.  It burns inside him every time he  lists and sells.  He’s desperate to find a better way next time . . . but most never discover an acceptable alternative.  Oh, they could go FSBO, and get nothin’ fer nothin‘ .  Or they could use a discount broker and get, well, less for less.   But some sellers — the lucky ones, I’d say — are going to hear about Help-U-Sell and they’re going to get on the phone and say, ‘I hear you guys are different.  Tell me what you do . . . ‘

And that leads to a whole new conversation.

Your Magical Marketing Sliver Bullet

Do you want your marketing to generate more leads?  Of course you do.  No matter how many you’re getting you always want more.  You could crank up your spending, send out more mail, increase your pay-per-click budget, take out more ad space.  Or, you could be smart.

One thing that hasn’t changed in real estate is the power of signs.  Really.  I talked with a broker the other day who complained that she got no leads from her website.  We talked around the problem for awhile and I finally asked how many listings she had.  ‘Three,’ she said.  Three listings = three signs.  She’s unknown in her marketplace . . . and that’s why her website doesn’t draw. 

The first part of your carefully created marketing plan needs to address how you’re going to establish your presence in your target area by becoming visible (read:  by getting as many signs as possible out). 

So you only have three listings.  You know that Open Houses create an opportunity to use 4, 5, 6, or even more directional signs.  But how many open houses can you personally hold on a Sunday afternoon?  One, right? 

 That’s one of the great things about Help-U-Sell.  We have this concept of seller participation and a willing and properly prepared seller can hold his or her own open house whenever they want.  If you got all three of your sellers to be open at the same time on the same day, that’s 18, 19, 20 signs in the marketplace (maybe more), and you’re making your presence known. 

Directional signs are not just for Open House day, though.  They are powerful in the everyday world too. You must investigate local law and restrictions and then plan your directionals around them.  However, I know of a number of offices in areas where directionals are prohibited who put them out Friday evening (after the enforcers leave work for the weekend) and pick them up Sunday evening.  We even have one South African office that has a budget for monthly sign fines!  They know they’re going to be cited, but the value of having signs in the marketplace far exceeds the cost of the fines.  To them, the fine is just a marketing expense!

At Help-U-Sell we also have something called ‘Market Blitz Signs.’  These are smaller signs, usually made of cardboard or plastic that simply use your logo and feature your phone number.  They don’t promote anything ‘for sale,’ and they don’t point to anything.  You blanket your marketplace with them — put them on telephone poles and fences and really anywhere they can be taped, tacked or stapled.  You refresh and replace them regularly and pretty soon people are saying , ‘I see your signs everywhere.’ 

Signs don’t always have to be stuck in the ground or tacked to a post.  A car wrap is a wonderful sign with the added benefit that it’s mobile.  I’ve known many brokers who encountered restrictions that affected the effectiveness of their office signage, who used a wrapped vehicle, parked at the street, to build their presence in the marketplace.  And you don’t have to stop with a wrapped vehicle, either.  Magnetic car signs, in your colors with your logo are available and easily attach (and detatch) from the side panels of your car. 

Finally, keep an eye out for community events and sponsorships that give you an opportunity to put your brand in play.  The perfect example is the softball team to which you donate jerseys with your logo on the back.  Hey:  it works for race car drivers and basketball players, why not with the kids in your target market? 

Being visible in your marketplace, laying down a big, thick blanket of branding that people can’t help but notice, will make every bit of marketing you do . . . more effective.  Your ads will pull more, your mailers will get a better response, your website will get more hits.  And you don’t have to have dozens of listings to do this.

3 Keys to Marketing Success

Help-U-Sell starts with a premise:  we are a marketing company.   That’s a heavy concept and it’s pretty rare in today’s traditional real estate world where ‘marketing’ (read: advertising) is done largely by agents (not brokers) and done individually, one house at a time.  It usually goes like this:  the agent gets a listing, promises all kinds of ‘advertising’  and then scrambles to do it in such a way that the impatient seller is placated.  The result is disconnected stuff all over the place, little coordination and little evaluation. 

Marketing companies don’t work like that. 

Start with Analysis

At Help-U-Sell we begin with a thorough analysis of the broker’s target market.  We look at everything we can find about the market place, breaking it down to smaller and smaller units:  zip codes, then neighborhoods, then carrier routes.  Among other things, we’re looking for two significant details:  seasonality and turnover rate.  Turnover tells us where to target our advertising and seasonality tells us when.

Then Target Your Marketing

One of the keys to being successful as a marketing company is narrowing your focus.  You want to target your prescious marketing budget to the group that is most likely to respond and use your service.  the biggest bang for your buck.

For example,  you could target the 400 homes in a particular neighborhood where the turnover rate has been 6% for several years — which means that 24 homes will probably come on the market this year — and try to get , say: 20% of those.  Running campaigns on several target neighborhoods at once can produce much better results than shotgunning your message to the world. 

Then Track Your Results

Traditional agents put their new listing in a homes magazine and then breathe a sigh of relief because the seller will be happy for the next week or two.  If a marketing company puts a listing in a homes magazine, they do it to generate leads and so they carefully track the results they achieve.

Every time the phone rings in your office with a potential buyer or seller on the other end (or you get an email inquiry),  you have to write it down, count it, keep track of it.  Ideally you get a name, contact information and what caused them to call.  But even  if you never get beyond the fact that they are a buyer or seller, you keep track of how many times potential customers contacted your office.  Source information is critical in evaluating your marketing program and making decisions about where to best spend your dollars. 

If you have an easy to use leads managment system, like the one we use at Help-U-Sell, you can look at every bit of marketing you’ve done and see how many leads each piece generated and how many commission dollars were eventually earned.   Ultimately you know whether that homes magazine ad produced $5 for every  dollar you spent or $50, or (gulp) no dollars.  And until you know that  you aren’t in a position to fine tune your market plan.

MLM and Real Estate

I had the opportunity during my hiatus from Help-U-Sell (late ’05 – mid ’09) to work with a couple of well funded start-ups who were going to revolutionize the real estate business.  It’s true, both companies were thinking ‘out-of-the-box;’ it’s just that it was the wrong box.

Both saw a blending of Multi-Level-Marketing with traditional brokerage to be the wave of the future and built companies around the concept.  (By the way, nobody in MLM says ‘Multi-Level-Marketing’ anymore.  The term is tainted by too much bad history.  Today they call it ‘Network Marketing.’ ) 

Keller-Williams is often credited with starting this fad, though in truth, theirs is not a true MLM concept.  They have ‘profit sharing,’ where agents who bring other agents in can be compensated with a share of the company profits . . . which is laughable when you consider how nearly impossible it is for a traditional real estate company to turn a real profit.  I know, I know:  I’m  going to get blasted for that but the truth is:  very few KW agents are making enough on their profit sharing to replace their personal production.  Nobody is retiring to live on their residuals. 

The true MLM/Real Estate model is closer to Amway or HerbalLife than Keller-Williams.  In this world, I recruit you and you recruit her and she recruits him and him and so on and so  on and so on (just like that old Revlon commercial) and somewhere down the line somebody has a closing and everybody gets paid!  You don’t even have to be a good agent to be successful; you just need to be good at convincing others to join your ‘team.’ 

Here are my problems with this approach:

  • I don’t see how in good conscience a person six people removed from the agent who did the transaction,  who may not even know the agent involved, should be paid a dime.   This person probably had nothing to do with bringing buyer and seller together and may not even have known that a transaction was in process until his paycheck arrived.  If there’s enough commission in the transaction to pay an agent so far removed, then there’s just too much commission in the transaction! 
  • It’s all about recruiting, not about selling real estate.  The approach is:  recurit everyone breathing and eventually someone will luck out and sell their cousin a house and then we all get paid!  There is no attempt to find the right person for the job and little done to build the recruit’s skill. 
  • Finally:  THERE”S NOTHING IN IT FOR THE CONSUMER!  Sorry to scream, but this really bugs me.  Once again, it’s all about the agent.  It’s just the same messed up agent oriented business model, this time on steroids.  Really.  I had conversations with both of the companies I worked with about this and the attitude was that the consumer was the agent’s responsibility.  The agents would take care of the consumer.  The company’s role is to help the agent recruit.  In other words there is no consumer offering.  There’s nothing special or even distinguishing here for the consumer.  It’s not about them. (And how you build a business that’s not about the consumer is a mystery to me).

Will MLM be a factor in real estate? Probably.  The the idea of making money for nothing is way too appealing, especially in a market where everyone is working very hard and few are making a good living.  But is this something the consumer is going to choose going forward?  I don’t think so.  To the consumer it just looks like more of the same:  a new twist on an already tired model.

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